M, you really need to try to stay on topic. We were talking about the Holy Spirit whom we agree is real and lives inside every person who accepts Christ. While being true, I do not think that your description is complete. Shall we strive to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would have several different roles in the lives of believers. He said that the Spirit was a gift from God (Luke 11:13). Jesus called the Holy Spirit the "Spirit of Truth" and that the Spirit of Truth would live inside believers (John 14.) Jesus sad that the Holy Spirit would teach us and help us remember what Christ had taught (John 14.) Jesus promised believers that the Holy Spirit would guide what they are to say (Luke 12) and empower us to be witnesses for Christ (Matthew 28 & Acts 1.)
In John 16:8 Jesus tells us that the Spirit convicts the world about sin, about righteousness and about judgement. I mention this because according to Jesus, the Holy Spirit not only lives in believers but has a role to play in the larger world. The writer of Hebrews warns us of the dangers of ignoring the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 3) I know it is not your custom to believe the New Testament writers (which I believe to be blasphemy) but do you agree with that warning?
CHRISTIANS break individually the first three Commandments of God. They have made the Christian religion their God. Idolizing the Christian religion that is speaking against God's word....
And GOD spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD THY GOD, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not BOW DOWN THYSELF TO THEM, nor SERVE THEM: for I THE LORD THY GOD AM A JEALOUS GOD, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing MERCY UNTO THOUSANDS OF THEM THAT LOVE ME, and KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
You're a pretty pathetic fool mhj, you don't even have a clue what bitter is talking about.
Proverbs 18:2 A [closed-minded] fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his personal opinions [unwittingly displaying his self-indulgence and his stupidity].
It is a very interesting conversational style you have, M. Most of the time it is considered rude to ask a question then attempt to answer it yourself. I am certain I could use some help to understand more about the Holy Spirit, I do not assume to know everything. We both know that you are not in the position to offer such help. Given your track record of being wrong about almost everything you've said in these hundreds of posts I suspect that you will not suddenly become an expert on the Holy Spirit.
Of course the Spirit was present at creation. He is God!
I forget how many times the Spirit is mentioned in the Old Testament. It was a test question that I knew the answer to once upon a time, but that time is long past. We see Him in the lives of such people as Sampson (Judges 13), and Joshua (Numbers 27.) The Psalmist wrote of him (Psalms 143) and Isaiah spoke of Him several times (Chapter 11.) This list is by no means exhaustive, it is just what I can remember off the top of my head.
In the New Testament the Spirit takes on a different role. Instead of working in one or two individuals at a time, Jesus promised Him to all the disciples (John 16.) and the Spirit is promised to all who believe in Christ (John 7:19)
In Acts, Chapter 2 we read of Jesus keeping his promise to send the Holy Spirit. Naturally the Spirit taught the early Christians things that Christ didn't teach (John 14:26 & John 16:13). Some of those early believers, after being baptized in the Spirit, wrote the New Testament and passed on some of that knowledge to us.
If you want to talk about how the Holy Spirit is symbolized in the Bible just let me know.
You asked me what I think blasphemy against the Holy Spirit might be. I think that one type of blasphemy is proclaiming that the Spirit did not come and does not teach us more than what Christ told us. What do you think?
Bitter. Once upon a time I was a Christian. I was a sinner. I followed the teaching of the Christian Religion. I'm not burden with religion and will not be a Christian again. You see Jesus died for ME! No religion can convince me that a religion YOU have no idea what the Holy Spirit is.. if you do explain it to me..
M, because I like you and want you meet you in Heaven I am going to go over this again with you. I fear that your misunderstanding is going to cause you to stumble.
Of course Jesus had a reason for quoting Isaiah (29:13) and rebuking the Pharisees as recorded in Matthew 7. The Pharisees were under the "Old Law" (remember, Christ hadn't yet fulfilled "the law") and were trying to discredit Him by discrediting His disciples. Christ was simply pointing out that the Pharisees had no basis to judge the disciples since their "laws" weren't even real laws. (Truthfully, that reminds me a lot of you�judging others no false standards.)
If you read further into Mark chapter 7 you find where Jesus declared that the "Old Law" about what one could and could not eat were null and void (verses 18 and 19.) God the Father had given those dietary laws to the Sons of Israel (Leviticus 11) but Jesus, having all authority in heaven and on earth (Matthew 28:18) did away with them as part of the new Covenant.
You ask why I call Sunday "The Lord's Day." As I already wrote earlier in this thread, John (who had been baptized in and taught by the Holy Spirit) used those words to describe Sunday. In John chapter 20 (verse 19) we see that after His resurrection, Jesus first appeared to His disciples on Sunday and calmed their fears. Surely you can't call that day "Satan's Day" can you?
So, I have answered your questions, now answer mine. What verse says "It all starts with acceptance of the Ten Commandments" as you posted yesterday at 6:38pm? Since we agree that "Jesus said what He said for a reason" tell me why He promised that the Spirit would teach the disciples new things (John 16) and even more importantly, what verse tells you to reject those teachings.
Bitter. Would you please answer. Jesus said what he said for a reason. You can twist things around to suit your beliefs but you can't change truth.
What must a person live by?
Who calls Sunday the Lords Day? Where did it come from? How was it created..
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
Yes He sure did say that. But, who did He say those words to? When were they said? Were they directed to people who were under the Old Law who were adding rules not found in the Old Law? Had the Old Law been fulfilled when He said those words?
You have to read the whole story to understand context there M. Picking and choosing things just won't cut it.
Since those folks were guided by the Holy Ghost and had learned from Him things like Christ promised I think their example is worthy of following.
When Christ was resisting temptation He quoted the Old Law to Satan and repeated that man lives through the word of God. Luckily you and I are no longer bound by the old law. Christ fulfilled it. Christ gave us new commandments.
The Psalmist wrote "This is day that the Lord had made; let us rejoice and be glad in it" (Psalms 118:24)
From the context of John's mention of "The Lord's Day" in Revelations it is taken as a given that the disciples and the early Christians used the term. We see in Acts that those early Christians met and worshiped Christ on The Lord's Day. Since those folks were guided by the Holy Spirit and taught things that christ didn't teach, I
None of your rant can be found in any of the "words of Jesus."
I didn't say that the disciples would be baptized by the Holy Spirit, Jesus did (Acts 1).
Please show me a verse where Jesus says anything starts by acceptance of the Ten Commandments. If you can not do that then your version of religion is not based on the "words of Jesus."
Wait, we both already know you can not show that verse because it does not exist. I realize you wish that is what Jesus said, but, He did not.
I do not know why you get upset when I post things Jesus did say. Did I somehow misquote Him? I provided references so you can check them yourself.
Bitter. You are very confused. I reckon that's from the lies and half-truths you live on. It starts with BELIEVING in Jesus and his WORDS. Then comes Faith which leads to obedience. Not to man but to the teaching of Jesus The Christ. You say baptized to who. Man or The Father Son and Holy Spirit. Not Christianity.It starts with the acceptance of the Ten Commandments.. Obedience if you are not obedient to them you will not get saved. SUNDAY is the first day of the week not the Lords Day.
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