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Bitter.. You fail to understand the Covenant God made with the Israelites. So let me try again. It's not hard to understand. Jesus is prophecy come true. Jesus came into the world to tell you what the Father have us to do if we would like for him to be our God and we his people. Jesus is speaking for the Father. Jesus tells you that the Commandments are life. We are to put them into our heart to keep them. So I'm glad that you was taught the Commandments so you have NO EXCUSE not to keep them. If you have the word in your heart you would.

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

M, I appreciate you recommending some useful reading. The fact is, I committed the "Ten Commandments" to memory as a child. I memorized both versions of them; the version found in Exodus and the version found in Deuteronomy. That I know them does not change the fact that they are just a part of the commandments given to the Israelites to secure God's covenant with them. Having been blessed to be under the New Covenant of Christ I am not bound by them. On the other hand, I am not promised what the Israelites were promised.

I know that you are clinging to the hope that Jesus quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 somehow tells us that we have to follow the "Ten Commandments" but it doesn't. Those rules applied to Jesus (he was an Israelite after all) but after He fulfilled the law we are under the New Covenant. In order to argue otherwise is to say that those of us who are disfigured, blind, lame, deformed or even have a scab on our skin can not be saved (Leviticus 21:18-21.) Those, too, are the words of the Lord. The fact that Jesus changed the Jewish dietary laws (Mark 7) makes your hope invalid.

I find it very telling that when you attempt to provide "proof" of your misunderstanding you "cherry pick" verses. You know that there is a lot more to the story than you tell when you only quote Matthew 19:17. In the very next verses Jesus is asked "which commandments" and Jesus's answer was not "The Ten Commandments." Jesus listed a few of the "Ten" but then, when the young man said he had kept all of the commandments since his youth, Jesus told the young man that it wasn't enough.

Happy Sabbath Day, M. I hope you spend some time studying what Jesus said decide to have faith in Him and quit relying on things you can see. Faith is about feeling, not seeing.

You fool mhj, michaeljsr, Protestant, Newbegining

Proverbs 18:2 A [closed-minded] fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his personal opinions [unwittingly displaying his self-indulgence and his stupidity].

Bitter. Do you know the Ten Commandments? Read them and tell me who can make you break them? If you carry the WORD of God in your heart you will be OBEDIENT TO God.

he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God
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[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments
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https://dailyverses.net/sea...dments/kjv

M, admittedly there are any number of things that I do not know. I make no claims to be expert on those subjects nor do I offer counsel to others about those subjects. The more you post the more certain that I become that you do not know the words of Jesus. What is more, you choose to stay ignorant of them while spewing hate and misinformation.

To give credit where it is due, you finally got something right. You wrote "God told Moses to gather the people together and if they would OBEY his Voice they would be his people and he THEIR GOD. The Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites by God as a Covenant to them" (12:44pm 9/16/2022)

Instead of ending you post with a correct statement you pressed on in a show of complete misconception. You ruined your two sentence streak of being right by typing "Same words that we are to live by" That idea is not to be found in the words of Jesus. I have repeatedly asked you to show me a verse to confirm your false pretense but you can not do it. It just is not there.

The closest you have come to fulfilling the challenge is to quote 1 John 2:3 which is a reminder of what Jesus is quoted as saying in John 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." Somehow you confuse the commandments of Jesus with the "Ten Commandments." I don't know why you hold onto that false idea, but you do and ignore the words of Christ in doing so.

Jesus gave us several commandments, in this thread we have talked about two of them already. Here are some more of them: Though this list is not complete, Jesus commanded us to:

Love our Enemies (Matthew 5 43-45)

Pray privately (Matthew 6: 5-7)

Do not judge (Matthew 7: 1-2)

Do not oppose other groups of believers (Mark 9: 38-40)

Take part in communion (Luke 22: 17-20)

Be merciful (Luke 6:36)

Love one another (the new commandment) (John 15:12)

Forgive others (Mark 11: 2-26)

Care for those in distress (Matthew 25: 34-46)

Be ready (Luke 12:40)

Go and make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28: 19-20)

Since, as you said "Jesus said what He said for a reason (9/11/2022 10:47pm)", which commandments do you think He was telling us to keep in John 14:15 and John 15:10? Since none of the commandments Jesus gave us are in "The Ten" how do you justify saying that Jesus said follow them? Is lying about what Jesus said a sin?

Bitter... you or I have no idea what the people of Sodom knew or DIDN'T know. God told Moses to gather the people together and if they would OBEY his Voice they would be his people and he THEIR GOD. The Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites by God as a Covenant to them. Same words that we are to live by. When you allow yourself to be manipulated into thinking you can do as you please and listening to others is better. Remember Adam.

M, you keep repeating the same things over and over and they are wrong each time you say them. Repeating a lie does not make it true no matter what politicians want you to believe. You keep repeating "If it wasn't for the commandments we wouldn't have known what sin is." Adam knew what sin was (Genesis 3) and he had never heard of the "Ten Commandments." In Genesis 6 we read that the whole world, except Noah was sinning and none of them had ever heard of the "Ten Commandments" either. That did not stop God from punishing them for their sin. In Genesis 13 we read that the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and "sinners against the Lord." (Genesis 13:13 NASB) Had they had the chance to read the "Ten Commandments?"

I appreciate the fact that you don't agree with what I have written, but I have twisted nothing. All I have done is quote (accurately) what is written in the Bible as being the "words of Jesus." You accused me of "misquoting" Jesus [6:26pm 9/15/2022] yet have offered no proof of your accusation.

In your earlier posts you have derided others for using Holy Scripture as defense of their beliefs while you blasphemed against the Holy Spirit and said those inspired writings were only "the opinions of men." Yet, you can not find one single verse in the entire Bible that records Jesus as saying "Keep the �Ten Commandments.'"

Jesus did not offer us a definition of "sin." If I am mistaken please show me the verse that records Him giving that definition. Jesus promised us that the Holy Spirit would convict us of sin. (John 16:8) and I take Jesus at His word. People who believe in Christ have no need for outside confirmation of their sin or their righteousness, the Holy Spirit provides it (John 16:8).

You keep saying that one must have "FAITH" in Jesus but you show an utter lack of Faith by not trusting what the Bible tells us He said. What I do not have "FAITH" in is your version of what Jesus said. You have said things that directly contradicted Jesus's words ("We are baptized in Ten Commandments" 6:05pm 9/14/2022) & "on 9/15/2022 you posted only part of the story and misrepresented what Jesus taught.) You have ranted about things you "think" Jesus said when you have no proof that He said them. When presented evidence to the contrary you reject it out of hand and call it twisted.

Jesus warns us not to judge others or we will be judged by the same standard (Matthew 7:1.) Your hatred of Christians (9/12/2022 1:13pm & 9/9/2022 10:39pm) has caused you to judge them [us] by the standard of Jesus's words. Using your own standard you have failed miserably and proven yourself merely to be a sounding brass and a clanging cymbal full of noise but of no consequence.

Bitter. If it wasn't for the commandments we wouldn't have known what sin is. Sin is the transgression of the laws of God. No matter what you say or how you try to twist things. We are to live by his Commandment without them how could we show love to others. You got to have FAITH in Jesus not religion or others. Only by the word of God can you be Saved. Accept Jesus at his word and stop making excuses not to keep them.

Bitter you said
(Jesus doesn't offer us a definition of "sin." Based on His teaching and what He did during His life here on earth I believe that "sin" is doing anything that isn't showing our Love for Him or anything that isn't based in love for others)

1. Love to God will admit no other God
2. Love will not debase the object it adores.
3 love to God will never dishonor his name
4. Love to God will reverence his day
5. Love to parents Will honor them
6. Hate not love is a murderer
7. Lust not love commits adultery
8. love will give but never take
9. Love will not slander nor lie
10. Love's eyes is not covenants

Just a reminder: A cosmic Jewish zombie who is his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a talking snake convinced a rib woman to eat from a magic tree.

Surfer we got to forgive people who did us wrong. We are not to hold grudges.

Matthew 6:14-15
King James Version
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

We are to be obedient to Jesus not Christian Religion..

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

M, please be so kind as to point out which of Jesus's words I misquoted. I do not claim to be infallible, but I do believe the words of Christ to be infallible.

Why did you pick one verse out of the parable of the rich man to post? Does Luke 12:20 have some special meaning to you? Without the verse right before it and right after it the verse has little context, but who am I to judge? I think you will agree that it has little to do with the topic at hand, but you did manage to quote Jesus. Too bad it doesn't say "You have to follow the "Ten Commandments" though, isn't it?

Thank you for posting the commandments Jesus quoted as the "two greatest." Why do you think that neither of them is included in the "Ten Commandments?"

To answer your question about why we should repent of sin if we don't know what sins we have committed I turn to the words of Jesus. In John 16 Jesus tells us that the Holy Spirit will convict us of sin (verse 8.) A very few verses later Jesus tells us that the Holy Spirit will guide us to the truth (verse 13.) If one takes Jesus at His word, we can trust the Holy Spirit to point out sinful behaviors and thoughts. Taken to its logical conclusion we can be assured that we will know what our personal sins are.

See how Jesus's words make everything so much easier to understand?

Here's what sin is.

Bitter you said:
Jesus doesn't offer us a definition of "sin." Based on His teaching and what He did during His life here on earth I believe that "sin" is doing anything that isn't showing our Love for Him or anything that isn't based in love for others.

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Why repent for sinning if you don't know what you have done wrong.

Deuteronomy 6

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Leviticus 19 kjv

18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord..

Only way a person can show love to the Father is by obedience to his word. His word are the Ten Commandments.

Bitter again your misquote oof the words of Jesus don't float.

God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided

Didn't you read his last post, he told you mhj?

Bitter. What is a sin?

Please move the "Jesus said if we follow. . ." Sentence to the end of the following paragraph. My editing skills are sub par.

M, since you didn't quote Jesus even a single time I can only surmise that none of your post of 10:27am came from any of "Jesus's words."

Jesus did not "teach the world the commandments." In His "Sermon on the Mount" (arguably His most famous sermon) Jesus taught that the commandment against murder and the commandment against adultery were not sufficient in depth. After saying that the ancients had been told you shall not commit murder Jesus went on to say "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, �You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, �You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery ****. (Matthew 5:22 NASB) In Matthew 5:28 we find that Jesus taught a deeper meaning about adultery than is found in the "Ten Commandments."

Matthew chapter 19 records the story of Jesus telling a person that "the commandments" were not enough to gain eternal life. Is that teaching the commandments? Jesus said that if we follow those two commandments we have kept all of the commandments (Matthew 22:40.)

As you well know Jesus said that the greatest commandment was to love God with all our heart, with all our soul and with all of our mind (Matthew 22:37.) It seems that if I love God with all my heart, soul and mind I will not put another god before Him, nor will I misuse His name or made idols to take His place. Jesus also went on to say that the second greatest commandment was to love others as we love ourselves (Matthew 22:39.) As we have discussed many times, Jesus later gave us a new commandment (John 13:34) that we love one another like He loved us. If I have that kind of love for others I will not commit murder, adultery or larceny. With that kind of love inside me I will not lie, or dishonor my parents. With that kind of love inside I will not begrudge others for what they have, instead I will celebrate their successes.

Mark 7:15 reports that Jesus said that it isn't the outside things that defile a person but instead it is the things that are inside and come out that defile us.

Jesus doesn't offer us a definition of "sin." Based on His teaching and what He did during His life here on earth I believe that "sin" is doing anything that isn't showing our Love for Him or anything that isn't based in love for others.

Bitter Do people need to keep these commandments?

Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

19 THOU KNOWEST THE COMMANDMENTS, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Bitter. Being you say the Ten Commandments aren't Laws anymore. What is sin?